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Iceblue · Sep 13, 2011, 12:44 PM // 12:44

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Originally Posted by Dawnspear

I don't PvP. Well, I could, but I would lose. Is there a reward for that?

Yes. 1. You can unlock skills for faction points. Then use tomes which are cheap and get those skills.

2. Use faction points to get zaishen keys. Sell them.

3. Get Luxon/Kurzick points, get jade/amber for armour.

4. On youtube there are several posters with great guides. In particular look at http://www.youtube.com/user/LiquidSolenoid. He does walkthroughs and shows you how to complete mission in HM.

Dawnspear · Sep 14, 2011, 08:42 AM // 08:42

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Originally Posted by Dimmuborgir Satan

- Get all heroes and invest some money to get their hero armor

That's right. I can buy the tokens I can't get on my own. How did I forget that?

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- Get black moa, black widow, and phoenix minipet (that should be really easy!)

And yet, it is far from easy. I have failed to do so thus far. That's why I am asking for help.

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If you want more:

-Start off with making a GWAMM character on your main char.
Start with all HM and NM missions, and then start vanquish(alongside with carto).

I have no idea what any of that means. Yes, that's the kind of help I need. I don't know this stuff. If I did I don't think I would need to ask about it.

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Originally Posted by Iceblue

Yes. 1. You can unlock skills for faction points. Then use tomes which are cheap and get those skills.

2. Use faction points to get zaishen keys. Sell them.

3. Get Luxon/Kurzick points, get jade/amber for armour.

4. On youtube there are several posters with great guides. In particular look at http://www.youtube.com/user/LiquidSolenoid. He does walkthroughs and shows you how to complete mission in HM.

1. How to easily obtain those points? I have yet to encounter the choice between Lux/Kur in my Faction-progression.
2. Just to obtain money? There is no other use for the keys? If so - why would people buy them?
3. Again - have not gotten that far in Factions yet.
4. Thank you.

Star_Jewel · Sep 14, 2011, 10:22 AM // 10:22

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Originally Posted by Dawnspear

I have no idea what any of that means. Yes, that's the kind of help I need. I don't know this stuff. If I did I don't think I would need to ask about it.

Guild Wars has the most intuitive wiki I have ever come across. Even those shorthand terms lead to explanations.

Bookmark both the Official Wiki and Unofficial Wiki. And get ready for some reading. Getting help from guilds and other players (and forums) is about 10% of learning this game. Playing the game is another 20%. The other 70% of learning GW is reading the wiki(s).

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1. How to easily obtain those points? I have yet to encounter the choice between Lux/Kur in my Faction-progression.
2. Just to obtain money? There is no other use for the keys? If so - why would people buy them?

1. PvE: quests, vanquishing, and turning in Factions/Young Heroes storybooks can get you Kurzick or Luxon faction, but you may struggle with that at this point.
PvP: Someone earlier mentioned AB (Alliance Battles), but if you suck you may have a hard time keeping a group. Jade Quarry or Fort Aspenwood would probably be easier places to hide among the chaos. You can create a PvP-only character and access JQ/FA by talking to the Luxon or Kurzick NPCs in Great temple of Balthazar.
And if going for armor materials, I suggest Kurzick for Amber. Even if you want Luxon armor, amber is worth more than jade at the trader, so you can often make a profit by selling your earned amber and buying jade.

2. Zaishen Keys open the Zaishen Chest, which contributes points to your Zaishen Supporter track. It qualifies as a PvP statue in your HoM, which awards unique points. Since your HoM goals are so low, I also suggest skipping this and selling the keys for cash.

Dawnspear · Sep 14, 2011, 11:20 AM // 11:20

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Originally Posted by Star_Jewel

2. Zaishen Keys open the Zaishen Chest, which contributes points to your Zaishen Supporter track. It qualifies as a PvP statue in your HoM, which awards unique points. Since your HoM goals are so low, I also suggest skipping this and selling the keys for cash.

First let me say - Wikis are not my friends. I enjoy learning by playing, but I have gathered GW is not that kind of game. Which is sort of sad, at least to me.

Now, onto the keys. Is is viable to get the PvP-title by getting these keys? How many would I need to actually reach the rank where I can make it a monument in the halls? Are we talking a hundred? A thousand?

**cosyfiep** · Sep 14, 2011, 12:15 PM // 12:15

for more information about the keys try this link: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Zaishen_rank

you will need to get 200 keys to get a high enough rank to get the pvp title/hom statue.
keys are also good for getting gold weapons from the chest (you will also get things like tomes, alcohol, sweets, lockpicks, tonics....)

you can play gw relatively easily without the wikis--however, since you have the goal of getting the hom points; the wiki will give information about the titles that you will need for said.
Many of us have been playing for years (and the wikis werent so good back in the day--the official wasnt even around!).....and have learned from playing as well as asking questions here, and using the wikis.

as others have suggested, you should find a nice guild that is willing to help you finish the campaigns and such--this will help you a lot towards your goals.

Dawnspear · Sep 14, 2011, 12:57 PM // 12:57

200 keys. Hmm.... 5k each. That's 1000k. I wonder if I can make that and get the rank that way - considering how badly I suck at PvP.

I can also try to get killed in PvP a bit and then just hand the keys over from the PvP-char to the PvE-char.
I also have some globs of e. I am sure I can trade those to someone willing to give me keys.

Iceblue · Sep 14, 2011, 03:02 PM // 15:02

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Originally Posted by Dawnspear

First let me say - Wikis are not my friends. I enjoy learning by playing, but I have gathered GW is not that kind of game. Which is sort of sad, at least to me.

1. Actually GW was that kind of game. You have to remember this game is already 6+ years, and 2 campaigns and one expansion later.... your goal doesn't seem to be to enjoy learning the game strategies or the intelligence behind the builds. Your goal seems to be to fill the HOM for GW2. In that case, yeah wiki is your friend, because not a lot of people look at these forums any more, and some of your questions could be looked up quickly on the wiki.

2. I don't know how long you've been playing, but I've been playing for a little over a year. I also only have 15/50 points. My goal though is to play the game, to learn it, to understand it. Even though I intend to buy GW2, I'm not dying to leave this game. I really enjoy and love it, and I will continue to play it even after GW2 comes out. Which is why I'm not in a hurry to finish my HOM. I spend a lot of time (about 2 hours a day, these days) searching on this forum for ideas on how to better play my main character (a warrior), how to use efficiently and effectively my heroes, how to make builds, etc.. That's the fun part. That's how you learn things...

Kendil · Sep 14, 2011, 03:02 PM // 15:02

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Originally Posted by Dawnspear

First let me say - Wikis are not my friends. I enjoy learning by playing, but I have gathered GW is not that kind of game. Which is sort of sad, at least to me.

Now, onto the keys. Is is viable to get the PvP-title by getting these keys? How many would I need to actually reach the rank where I can make it a monument in the halls? Are we talking a hundred? A thousand?

You're asking for help, and instead of saying what the wiki says we redirect you to the correct wikipage, I don't think that's unreasonable. But if you want to learn the game by playing then that's also possible.

Zkeys are the most timeefficient pvp rank to get. However it's far from the cheapest hompoints. ~1000k for 3 points isn't really worth it unless you have done all the other like obtaining the black moa and most of the hero armor. The point is that with 1000k you could fill out the whole monument of valor which is 8 points, and that isn't the most economical way of spending gold for hompoints.

Since you seem to have problems with completing the storyline I think you need to invest some time into looking over you heroes and their builds.
I am not suggesting that you should run a build specifically as pvx says, but do steal ideas from existing good working builds.
Make sure to use necromancers (their minions are awesome along with death nova), mesmers (panic and ineptitude are awesome elite crowdcontroll skills), and ritualists (their spirits add so much damage)

~removed links because they were to an old site and I didn't pay attention... go here instead: http://www.gwpvx.com/PvX_wiki

I just realised that I may have failed to mention the point with all these hero builds... The point is that when you have 7 good hero builds then you have a team which actually can do some work. You are just 1/8 of your team (not really true since you're the player, but you get the point).
In order to get good builds you have to unlock their skills. The easiest way to do that is by doing zaishen elite and use the faction to unlock skills from a priest of balthazar.

Gwendolyn the Jinx · Sep 14, 2011, 03:38 PM // 15:38

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Originally Posted by Kendil

In order to get good builds you have to unlock their skills. The easiest way to do that is by doing zaishen elite and use the faction to unlock skills from a priest of balthazar.

Alternatively, you can visit Hero Skill Trainers that will teach both you and your heroes' a skill (from a limited list) for only 1 Hero Skill Point.

**Marty Silverblade** · Sep 14, 2011, 10:08 PM // 22:08

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Originally Posted by Kendil

Since you seem to have problems with completing the storyline I think you need to invest some time into looking over you heroes and their builds.
I am not suggesting that you should run a build specifically as pvx says, but do steal ideas from existing good working builds.
Make sure to use necromancers (their minions are awesome along with death nova), mesmers (panic and ineptitude are awesome elite crowdcontroll skills), and ritualists (their spirits add so much damage)
very famous: http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Discordway
Mes build example: http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Me/any_Panic_Hero and http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Me/a...llusion_Mesmer
Necro build example: http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:N/any_Minion_Bomber
Rit build example: http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Rt/a...Channeling_Rit

I'd like to point out that under no circumstance should you ever use a GW wiki that has 'wikia' in the URL.

Official Wiki
Non-Official Wiki
PvX (for builds)

The non-official wiki used to be hosted at wikia but they never provided the benefits they promised and forced certain layout changes (which is yet another broken promise). The community + content moved over to the new site (linked above). Wikia is now a home for trolls and such. It's unreliable and should not be used.

RedDog91 · Sep 14, 2011, 10:38 PM // 22:38

I say beat factions and charm the imperial phoenix (1 point for phoenix and 1 more statue in "Honor"), then get rank 4 in luxon and kurzick (doing both adds 2 more statues to honor, which combined with what you have + statue for beating factions gives full display, worth 3 more points)

Starlet · Sep 15, 2011, 07:18 AM // 07:18

As a returning player all this information has been helpful to me too. I find I'm getting very confused and feeling very noobish!

I thought this topic would be a good place to ask: Any advice on getting hero armor for my EoTN heros, I end up dying alot. My Rit is the only one to make it that far.

Thanks!
-Lady Lunabelle

MisterB · Sep 15, 2011, 07:48 AM // 07:48

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Originally Posted by Starlet

As a returning player all this information has been helpful to me too. I find I'm getting very confused and feeling very noobish!

I thought this topic would be a good place to ask: Any advice on getting hero armor for my EoTN heros, I end up dying alot. My Rit is the only one to make it that far.

Thanks!
-Lady Lunabelle

Try looking through the Glint's afk thread here. You'll find lots of builds and tips in there, and the heroes do everything for you. Make them upgrade their own armor for once! Alternately, search the forum for Glint's challenge; there are many threads with builds and tactics.

Dawnspear · Sep 15, 2011, 09:03 AM // 09:03

I am sorry if I am coming across in a weird way.
I am enjoying this game, but i am a casual player, and don't have the time to delve into the intricacies of metabuilds, the deep involvement in the wiki and so on.
My goal is to have a bit of fun, but without direction I am lost. The HoM provides that direction, as it gives me something to strive for, a way to motivate myself into challenges to see more of this great game.
All of your help so far has been wonderful, and I am deeply thankful, and it is providing me with a lot of the stuff I really needed.

Kendil · Sep 15, 2011, 02:49 PM // 14:49

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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

I'd like to point out that under no circumstance should you ever use a GW wiki that has 'wikia' in the URL.

Official Wiki
Non-Official Wiki
PvX (for builds)

The non-official wiki used to be hosted at wikia but they never provided the benefits they promised and forced certain layout changes (which is yet another broken promise). The community + content moved over to the new site (linked above). Wikia is now a home for trolls and such. It's unreliable and should not be used.

Argh, my computer still remembers those links because I've used them alot more than the gwpvx... I guess I should go and clean up my cookies... It also explains why I didn't find this: http://www.gwpvx.com/Build:Team_-_7_Hero_Player_Support
Personally I don't use that, but something quite similar that I've come up with myself by testing and tweaking.

@Starlet, Glint's challenge would be the easiest. Just do it on nm and it should be no problem with decent heroes. I did it with my ele with discord necros, a RoJ monk ss rit a mesmer and something more.

jazilla · Sep 15, 2011, 02:53 PM // 14:53

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Originally Posted by Dawnspear

I am sorry if I am coming across in a weird way.
I am enjoying this game, but i am a casual player, and don't have the time to delve into the intricacies of metabuilds, the deep involvement in the wiki and so on.
My goal is to have a bit of fun, but without direction I am lost. The HoM provides that direction, as it gives me something to strive for, a way to motivate myself into challenges to see more of this great game.
All of your help so far has been wonderful, and I am deeply thankful, and it is providing me with a lot of the stuff I really needed.

For what you are trying to do though, the wiki will be the fastest way. it is the best wiki in any MMO style game. hands down. end of story.

Dawnspear · Sep 15, 2011, 03:25 PM // 15:25

I completed nightfall and talked to the heroes I had not obtained, but they didn't appear in my herocollection. Bugger. Now i have to kill Abaddon again....

Iceblue · Sep 15, 2011, 03:45 PM // 15:45

No you don't... look in your quest log. You should have the quests to pick up those heroes in there. Also note, that some EotN heros you can only get if you fight them in the The Norn Fighting Tournament.

Dawnspear · Sep 15, 2011, 07:06 PM // 19:06

Ah, thank you. How short-sighted of me.

**Marty Silverblade** · Sep 15, 2011, 10:16 PM // 22:16

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Originally Posted by Starlet

As a returning player all this information has been helpful to me too. I find I'm getting very confused and feeling very noobish!

I thought this topic would be a good place to ask: Any advice on getting hero armor for my EoTN heros, I end up dying alot. My Rit is the only one to make it that far.

Thanks!
-Lady Lunabelle

While MisterB and Kendil are correct with the information about Glint's Challenge, there's something they've neglected to mention: it's not going to help you a single bit. Hero armor upgrades are purely aesthetic. They don't actually make it any more powerful than it was, just better looking. Thus, it won't help you or them survive any better. If you want to give your heroes better stuff you'll need to get runes or insignia for their armor or better weapons (or most importantly, better skills).

Sep 14, 2011, 12:15 PM // 12:15	#25
cosyfiep are we there yet? Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: in a land far far away Guild: guild? I am supposed to have a guild? Profession: Rt/	for more information about the keys try this link: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Zaishen_rank you will need to get 200 keys to get a high enough rank to get the pvp title/hom statue. keys are also good for getting gold weapons from the chest (you will also get things like tomes, alcohol, sweets, lockpicks, tonics....) you can play gw relatively easily without the wikis--however, since you have the goal of getting the hom points; the wiki will give information about the titles that you will need for said. Many of us have been playing for years (and the wikis werent so good back in the day--the official wasnt even around!).....and have learned from playing as well as asking questions here, and using the wikis. as others have suggested, you should find a nice guild that is willing to help you finish the campaigns and such--this will help you a lot towards your goals. __________________ where is the 'all you can eat' cookie bar?

Sep 14, 2011, 12:57 PM // 12:57	#26
Dawnspear Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Sep 2011	200 keys. Hmm.... 5k each. That's 1000k. I wonder if I can make that and get the rank that way - considering how badly I suck at PvP. I can also try to get killed in PvP a bit and then just hand the keys over from the PvP-char to the PvE-char. I also have some globs of e. I am sure I can trade those to someone willing to give me keys.

Sep 14, 2011, 10:38 PM // 22:38	#31
RedDog91 Desert Nomad Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Farming for Nick gifts Profession: R/	I say beat factions and charm the imperial phoenix (1 point for phoenix and 1 more statue in "Honor"), then get rank 4 in luxon and kurzick (doing both adds 2 more statues to honor, which combined with what you have + statue for beating factions gives full display, worth 3 more points)

Sep 15, 2011, 07:18 AM // 07:18	#32
Starlet Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The Underworld Profession: Rt/	As a returning player all this information has been helpful to me too. I find I'm getting very confused and feeling very noobish! I thought this topic would be a good place to ask: Any advice on getting hero armor for my EoTN heros, I end up dying alot. My Rit is the only one to make it that far. Thanks! -Lady Lunabelle

Sep 15, 2011, 09:03 AM // 09:03	#34
Dawnspear Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Sep 2011	I am sorry if I am coming across in a weird way. I am enjoying this game, but i am a casual player, and don't have the time to delve into the intricacies of metabuilds, the deep involvement in the wiki and so on. My goal is to have a bit of fun, but without direction I am lost. The HoM provides that direction, as it gives me something to strive for, a way to motivate myself into challenges to see more of this great game. All of your help so far has been wonderful, and I am deeply thankful, and it is providing me with a lot of the stuff I really needed.

Sep 15, 2011, 03:25 PM // 15:25	#37
Dawnspear Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Sep 2011	I completed nightfall and talked to the heroes I had not obtained, but they didn't appear in my herocollection. Bugger. Now i have to kill Abaddon again....

Sep 15, 2011, 03:45 PM // 15:45	#38
Iceblue Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2010 Profession: W/	No you don't... look in your quest log. You should have the quests to pick up those heroes in there. Also note, that some EotN heros you can only get if you fight them in the The Norn Fighting Tournament.

Sep 15, 2011, 07:06 PM // 19:06	#39
Dawnspear Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Sep 2011	Ah, thank you. How short-sighted of me.